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Originally posted by Xanith
Huh? You’re
kidding right. All the UN Resolutions passed against Iraq
for 12 years stated that Iraq was still in violation of the
cease-fire. The US tried to get the UN to do something about
Iraq after 12 long years of doing nothing. When that failed
and the UN failed to act (no surprise there remember Bosnia
and Rwanda) the US/UK made a coalition of some 50 countries
to do what the UN failed to do. Or should I say what France,
Russia, and Germany were blocking because they were busy
selling arms under the table, skimming money off the oil for
food program, getting payoffs in oil stipends, and
positioning their respective countries with lucrative oil
deals with Saddam.
If you keep repeating it enough times
maybe people will stop laughing and believe you... er, or
maybe not. Even Koffi Annan has turned around and said that it
wasn't the wish of the UN. So what is it, was it done because
they violated UN sanctions or not? Don't sit on the fence and
try to pretend that the invasion was backed by the UN, but
that they had no right to veto it...
quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
With all the human
rights violations going on in the world today I would have
to say the holding of people at Guantanamo Bay is probably
at the bottom of that list. The only reason it’s an issue is
because it’s the US doing this. Why your own country of
India has had quite a few human rights organizations looking
into treatment of people in Kashmir by your own Indian
Security forces far worse than anything occuring at
Gitmo.
Yes. Two wrongs don't make a right. How can
you expect people to take you seriously, if you act in exactly
the same way as the people you are acusing of crimes. Either
people get a fair trial or they don't. If they don't, then I
don't see how you accuse other countries of imprisonment
without trial. What makes it okay for you to do it, but not
China? Where do we start putting a sliding scale on
miscarriages of justice.
quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
HB what I don’t
understand is how you can make such outrageous statements
sometimes without any shred of proof whatsoever and in the
next breath demand someone else prove something that has
already been proven to be true.
X
I have to say I agree with HB on this.
Yes, as far as I'm concerned I'll be partying with the rest
when Osama gets killed, but that's not the point. If you kill
someone without trial (no matter how guilty you know them to
be), you are going to generate sympathy for their "cause"
amongst the potential terrorists. So you have a whole poplace
of people (be they Iraqi, Afghani, Pakistani, British, US
etc.), who are a little bit sympathetic to the terrorists, but
not quite there yet. We still have the chance to prove to them
that we are the good guys and that we abide by what we say. If
we bring Osama up on charges, publicly prove that he is
guilty, and go through the whole legal process in public view,
at least we can say "Look - we really mean this **** about a
fair trial for everyone, and he had his chance to defend
himself."
If we just kill him, he becomes a martyr and
a rallying call for the people who could be swayed either way.
bingo, what do we get, more
terrorists.
I have to say, I wonder
about all this sometimes. You might argue that these people
don't fight by the rules, and no they don't. But that cannot
mean that we will also throw away the rule book. We have the
means to stamp out the fuel for these flames, and it's not by
brute strength, it's about inteligence and winning the
propoganda war.
At present, to much of the world I
imagine that the US appears very much to be an oppressive
rouge country. Look at the detentions without trial, the dead
or alive rewards on peoples heads, the double standards when
reporting (it's okay for us to break the Geneva convention,
but not anyone else), the threats and bullying to other
nations, the support of Isreals terrorism (regardless of how
just you think their cause is).
Why would any other
country have the slightest bit of respect for them (or trust
them for that matter). I've always considered the US a very
friendly country and one that I respected. That's all started
changing in the last few years, you have shown yourself to be
downright racist with regards to anyone who is not a US
citizen (and even some who are). If you are serious about
fighting terrorism, why not go down to Boston and round up the
fund raisers for the IRA. "Every penny raised goes towards
killing a British soldier!". Maybe then , people might start
taking the US policy a bit more seriously. Up until now, it
appears to be a bully who pushes over small fry who can't
fight back, and who backs down against anybody strong enough
to stand up to them.
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03-22-2004 12:52
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Just look at the Palestinian reaction; they promise
revenge against Israel, as always. A legitimate government
should know better than to assassinate opponents.
I guess a nation that can scare the US of A would be
> than a nation that survives almost entirely on the
American aid.
Osama, Fidel Castro, and Moamar Ghadaffi got
together and started a ZZ-Top tribute band. I saw them play at
the beer garden on pier 52 last weekend.
04-01-2004 01:59
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Yes yes dear. Keep taking the pills.
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